Defeating Objections with Ecumenism

 You don't have to be here.  You don't have to read this.  I may be about to hurt a lot of feelings.  This is your stepping off point.  You don't have to be here. 

You still here?  You have chosen to be here.  It is nobody's fault but yours. 

I have been on pretty much every Christian forum, discord, Christian Reddit sub, and so on over the last decade or so.  Anyplace there was social media, and a way to talk about God, more than likely, I was around.  What we are doing today is breaking down objections, and false perspectives.  God is reason.  There is reason to how God works in the world.  We are going to use reason towards defeating objections.  

What is the goal?  The Kingdom of God.  The Kingdom of God has particular values.  

Let us start with the Catholics.  A man is a more traditional Catholic.  He would like to argue like Vatican II never happened. He believes me to be a heretic as a man who was never part of the Catholic Church.  

Unitatis Redintengratio

1. The restoration of unity among all Christians is one of the principal concerns of the Second Vatican Council. Christ the Lord founded one Church and one Church only. 

There are Christians outside the Catholic Church.  Traditional Catholic man, he can't use all those old arguments. Reading this, Traditional Catholic man, he wants to knee jerk an argument.  Just stop, and don't argue.  You don't care to be here?  You don't have to be.  Bye?  You still here?  Let us continue.  

The second type of Catholic objection is the "Egotistical Academic."  He is very educated and knows a lot about Church history and dogma.  He is egotistical.  He likes to argue based on his education.  That makes him a fool.  Arguing based on education, that is not of the Spirit of God.  He may as well just be a pharisee. Said Egotistical Academic, it is impossible to argue with him.  He is really stubborn.  He showed up here?  I may have had something he wanted.  If he showed up here, part of the ego may have been broken down, and we can work with that.  Let us continue.  

I have tended to get along with Catholics pretty well given I didn't mention Vatican II.  Vatican II is contrary.  It is self-defeating.  Don't argue.  These are statements of fact.  Are you a traditional Catholic?  Those arguments don't work post-Vatican II.  Someone that accepted Vatican II, he is possibly more of a Secular Humanist and an Ideologue.....or Egotistical Catholic Academic.  

How do I get along well with Catholics given I didn't mention Vatican II?  A Seer is a particular thing.  He sees the spiritual.  Towards seeing the Spiritual, there is a Tradition of Revelation.  A man working to not be wrong, and correct and upright, he needs to align himself.  Someone like Saint Patrick, he would be a Christian Seer.  (Matthew 13:15-17)  Saint Patrick engaged in a lot of Spiritual Warfare, and the result was the proselytization of Ireland.  Everything many of the Saints did, it works in a particular way.  There is reason to it.  A man needs to be aligned.  

We have the internet, and hundreds to years of history at our fingertips.  We can do a compare and contrast of the Catholic Church pre-Vatican II and post- Vatican II.  What was the difference?  In the difference we may be able to see cause and effect.  

Liberal Christianity 

Liberal theology grew out of the Enlightenment's rationalism and the Romanticism of the 18th and 19th centuries. By the late 19th and early 20th centuries, it was characterized by an acceptance of Darwinian evolution, use of modern biblical criticism, and participation in the Social Gospel movement.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Christianity)

There is no such thing as Liberal Christianity.  Faith is a personal relationship with God.  Given someone was into "Biblical Criticism," that is egotistical and academic.  Someone was talking from their own mind.  Any Church that has adopted "Liberal Theology," they have more in common with Secular Humanists and Atheists than they do with people who fear God.  

Sweden had a state Church, the Lutheran Church of Sweden.  They adopted Liberal Theology.  Sweden fell away.  In 2000, they rejected God, and abandoned their state Church.  The Swedes allowed in a lot of Muslims.  Sweden has become a failed state.  

How is the fertility rate of many first world counties?  A replacement fertility rate is 2.1 children per woman.  The fertility rate of France is 1.85.  The fertility rate of the US is 1.79.  This is below replacement.  What is the cause of this?  The acceptance of false ideology in place of religion.  Over in Japan and South Korea, they borrowed many of the fruits of the Christian West.  The fertility rate is worse for them without Christianity propping them up.  The Fertility rate of South Korea is 1.08.  That is very low.  The cause was bad ideology. 

People who love Jesus Christ, they tend to reproduce.  Sons of Abraham are to number as stars in the sky.  Christians are sons of Abraham through a circumcision of the heart.  Christian societies value virgin brides.  Were you in a Christian society or more of a Harlot Ezekiel 23 society?  People in sexual immorality, they may have had a Heart of Stone.  A Heart of Stone is set against God, and contrary to a Circumcision of the Heart.  People with Hearts of Stone, they were carnal.  They didn't value family and childbearing.  Cause and effect.  

The fertility rate of Israel is 2.8 children per woman right now.  This reflects that Jews are tied to God by blood and promise.  How is a Christian a Jew?  Through a circumcision of the heart.  (Romans 2:28,29)  Given someone is going to argue, they didn't have circumcision of the heart.  Don't argue.  Don't knee jerk arguments at me.  Don't project on me.  God is self-evident.  (Romans 1:18-25)  Is your country a mess due to having fallen away?  If you want to argue, you will make it worse for yourself, and everyone around you.  Go talk to a wall?  

These are some things to reflect and think on.